In this podcast Mark Groves is joined by Dr. Jeremy Goldberg, writer, spoken word poet, marine biologist and PhD in social science. Mark and Jeremy discuss their personal evolutions as men, for Jeremy this has meant shifting from being an academic and PhD to becoming an artist. They also reflect upon the evolution of the modern man in today’s world, what does it mean to be raised a boy today, what is school and society teaching boys, how do we break out of the stories and patterns and how we are all still on the journey home to ourselves.